Minimus, glad you posted this. I had an elder tell us the watchtower has never ever called themselves or others prophets. Nor will they ever do that. This man is truly a nice man and wouldn't hurt anyone. The elders had put him on us to answer any questions we might have and each time he couldn't answer them but never ratted us out. His assignment was to be in charge of the library at the back(shows you what these idiots thought of him) which was full of outdated publications that went back to the early 1930's. It was fun to watch him work hard yet I wanted to cry at what this wicked org was doing to decent people such as him. He was a very sincere man. Time to give him a visit:)
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How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?
by minimus init used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.
how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.
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I have nothing left in the tank, I need help
by Yondaime ini dont have the willpower to attend meetings anymore.
i'm literally on the sound system list every week.
i'm either reading on sunday or tuesday, praying on tuesday nites, adjusting mics, passing mics, or working the sound system, or doing last minute parts for the service meeting.
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Tell them your doing the best you can and if that doesn't work then tell others in your congregation how you love college and how everyone should get an education. They'll have no choice but to take your "priveleges" away from you.
We had an ms in the hall that was going to college for four years and the cooridinator told him not to make that public or they would have to remove him from being an ms. After he was done school, they made him an elder. Not to mention he had only been reinstated four years after being df'd. If they like you, they really like you but if they don't like you then they will do what ever they want. This guy was made an elder at twenty-four years of age. Really sad. With less priveleges you will have more time for your career.
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Inactive for how long?
by Powermetal4ever inas the title says: how long does it take to be inactive in fs before some elders comes knocking on the door?
or calling or whatever... any experiences?
how was it for you guys?
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We had not recieved one phone call or visit for well over a year. And even then it was an elder and his wife just passing through and wanting to buy some meat from us. On my judicial hearing tape, he admitted to saying he thought that was a shepherding call that day. He was here for five minutes and not once spoke to me but sent his wife up to the house for a quick little shit chat. When I told him that I didn't even get one phone call said he thought he sent out an email to someone's address. His exact words and they are on tape.
The only reason they gave us that visit was because they knew we found out about them covering over this one guy in the congregation and the co was coming in a few weeks so they had to make us look like dirt before they looked like dirt first. We hadn't been out in service for almost a year and still no phone call for our time. It all depends on how quiet you stay and don't rock the boat with any of them. Then again, they are all a bunch of dingadongadongadingas. With no educational training but the watchtowers, they certainly can be drama pricks or like Bluesbrothers experience- a no show.
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New requirement to become an Elder or Ministerial Servant!
by hardtobeme init has been a few months since i hear this from an elder.
he said that the c/o told them this new requirement.. "men that wanna be an elder or ministerial servant has to go out to field service on sundays.
if there is an elder or ministerial servant that is not going out to field service on sunday can lose the priviledge".
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It's not new. Three years ago they were doing this. So the elder would put the groups together and then off to lunch.
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If there were no faithful and discreet slave until 1919,then what would the witnesses say if you were to show them these scriptures?
by label licker inrevelation 1:1 a revelation by jesus christ which god gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.
and he sent forth his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave john,.
jude 1 jude, a slave of jeus christ .
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LOL! DD, it was just yesterday you were asking for scriptures on inactive ones. I thought this was a site where we could post questions about the bible or is it just to talk about stupid tight pants. If a jw is starting to wake up, it will be because of thought provoking questions that jw.org never taught them and will make them question what they have been learning instead of name calling and tearing down.
Maybe you would be out of the religion sooner had you asked more questions. It worked for us:)
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If there were no faithful and discreet slave until 1919,then what would the witnesses say if you were to show them these scriptures?
by label licker inrevelation 1:1 a revelation by jesus christ which god gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.
and he sent forth his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave john,.
jude 1 jude, a slave of jeus christ .
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Revelation 1:1 A revelation by Jesus Christ which god gave him, to show his SLAVES the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented it in signs through him to his SLAVE John,
Jude 1 Jude, a SLAVE of Jesus Christ
2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a SLAVE and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith, held in equal privilege with ours, by the rightousness of our God and Savior Jesus Chist. (which in Revelation 1:5 states Jesus Christ as the Faithful Witness)
James 1:1 James, a SLAVE of god and of the Lord Jesus Christ
Titus 1:1 Paul, a SLAVE of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ according to the faith of God's chosen ones and the accurate knowledge of the truth which accords with godly devotion
1 Thessalonians 1:3 Paul, Silvanus, Timothy reminding the congregation of their faithful works and then in verse 9 how they first entered in among the people and how they turned to god from their idols to SLAVE for a living and true god.
Colossians 1:7 Epaphras our beloved fellow SLAVE who is a FAITHFUL minister of the Christ on our behalf, who also disclosed to us love in a spiritual way.
Philippians 1:1 Paul and Timothy, SLAVES of Christ Jesus,
Romans 1:1 Paul, a SLAVE of Jesus Christ and called to be an apostle,
Look at all the faithful ones in Hebrews chapter 11 and didn't they slave for the better life to come?
When I show these scriptures to jw's, they either have never seen that before about the faithful slaves or I'm told that's not what that means. By the way, as I was reading Hebrews 11:16, it reads: For now they are reaching out for a better place, that is, one belonging to heaven. How could that be if they weren't annointed or baptized according to the jw's? Jesus had not come yet so why would they think they would be going to heaven and not think they would look forward to the ressurection? Show that one to the witnesses along with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob going to heaven, Matthew 8:11.(Sorry, I went off from the first question about the faithful and discreet slave to another question that popped out at me just now in Hebrews)
Sheesh! You start on one journey and it leads to more questions.
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OMG: WT legislating about fragances and common sense
by pixel indo they have to tell the r&f every little detail???.
from the new wt:.
what can be done to assist brothers and sisters who suffer from adverse reactions to fragrances?any who are sensitive to fragrances face a difficult challenge.
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That was one of my pet peeves. The stench these young woman would put on themselves was horrible. And they know certain ones are sensitive to these smells yet some of them would be out in service touching up their nails with nail polish which was really low. No love is right!!!
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Funny Eden One but why don't these idiots ever comment on the sisters with their tight skirts and jeans? We have an elders wife who's ass is huge and you can see her butt cellulite dimples through the tight clothes she wears. Yet, when the CO is in town, it's back to baggy dresses for the week he is in town. If you saw her husband, it's quite understandable as to why she does this. She thrives on attention.
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Zone Visit: An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"
by breakfast of champions inthis is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.
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Maybe if bethel didn't reward the bethelites with vollyball sand courts, tennis courts, miniature golf course, pizza ovens, indoor swimming pools, hiking trails, gyms, music rooms where they can jam, basketball courts, tractor hay rides, guard dogs turned into pets to play with, ball hockey, ice hockey, skating rinks with their very own zambony, green houses to fart around in and play with their two little kittens, then maybe they would come back to work when the lunch bell rings. But instead they wouldn't be coming back into the building until 1:30(lunch is over at one) and would still have to go and get changed before they went to their jobs.
On the one beautiful fall day the sisters took the smaller tractor out with the wagon and took a bunch of them on the back of the wagon and rode around all afternoon to kill time. There was nothing to do. I thought then why didn't someone get down their backs and say go door to door if the preaching work is so important. Some would be late starting the afternoon due to playing the piano and singing. These people have no concept of what the real working world is.
I guess it would be hard to be on time when you are given all this along with no one having to cook your meals, wash your clothes, clean your rooms ect,,, It becomes a habit of taking everything for granted when you don't know what it would really cost if you had to work for all these things and have to pay for all of it. Yet, there are some really hard workers there too that do appreciate what they have.
There's also the afternoon naps that older ones are entitled to. This is only some of the things we saw there that made me shake my head as to WTF! The older bethelites were always complaining about the younger ones getting away with being late yet they were entitled to nappy times. If they had to get their hair done, then it was done during work hours as well. Just a totally different world there. Their loads are light even when they are working. That's a whole other story.
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When did you start getting ANGRY?
by Separation of Powers inwhen i started the fade....i recognize that i was upset, mainly because of the desillusionment.
but, over the course of the past several months, i am noticing an increasing anger toward all thing org.
it can only be described as indignation, not simply upset.
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I guess it started when I found out it was a lie. The sites, the trinity brochure by Snarky on youtube. I handed many of those brochures out telling people that we have nothing to hide and if they want to look up the sources, that it was all in that mag. Felt like I had been taken for sure. Sold our company which was making us good money. Got disowned and disinherited from the inlaws. Lost all our worldly friends and spent out enough on donations, service, and working at the bethel. The worse was the lies, the stalking and how they slandered our reputation during and after our leaving the org.
We're in our mid fifties, live out in the middle of nowhere, and are reliving/restarting our lives over again. We put up a shop and started a new business which is doing well. Two of our old worldly friends came back into the picture which was truly the definition of forgiveness since we let go of everyone. Parents are still at odds but that will take a while. We have one family who aren't in the cult anymore and we see them from time to time. Really weird process for we are replacing what we loss the second time around now.
When it comes to family, I am still angry that they have control over them which still affects me. I can never get rid of the cult totally. They have no right to interfere when it comes to personal bornin family ties. It's so wrong on so many levels.
My anger only flares up when I run into someone who tells me what the elders did to them on account of us. The guy whom the elders were protecting and not wanting to df told us that they first told him to go along with their decision on public reproving him so he did but they wouldn't tell him what it was for. Then he runs into someone a couple of months later and they informed him he was announced as df'd. When he called the PO, the coordinator told him it was out of his hands and not to bother him anymore. So the guy went to the co and the co told him he had to go with what ever the elders decided. It didn't surprise me but confirmed again how wicked these guys are. So wicked that they took advantage of this man to suite their own perverted agenda. This guy is truly mentally unbalanced and was railroaded as well. Sad part is he really wants back in. He said if they told him to jump off of a bridge, he would. Elders love these kinds of people. We could not be like this guy nor like the ones who wanted to stay and act like fifteen year olds. So bizarre.
There are so many different stages to what ever you call this that you go through and on a daily basis. There's not a day that doesn't go by when you think of all what you have lost like family and friends, you automatically think of the cult. The very thing you are trying to let go. People are never the same after whether for the good or the bad.
Because of all that stress, two years later I am dealing with physical health issues. Would I have stayed in had I known the fall out of all what we have gone through? Not on your life. There's nothing like having your freedom. We were always decent people and always will be. It's just going to take some time and then we'll see where we go from here. Definitely, we will never join any religion or organisation ever again. That we know for sure one hundred percent.
We wish you all the best in your journeys.